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== Deleting Speculation and Assumption == | == Deleting Speculation and Assumption == | ||
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While the Folio p.16 describes Stonefist establishing his chiefdom c. 430 CY, From the Ashes, Atlas p.6 dates the founding of the Hold of Stonefist to "some 150 years earlier" than 582 CY. Assuming an exact date an 150 years earlier, the Hold of Stonefist was established in exactly 432 CY. | While the Folio p.16 describes Stonefist establishing his chiefdom c. 430 CY, From the Ashes, Atlas p.6 dates the founding of the Hold of Stonefist to "some 150 years earlier" than 582 CY. Assuming an exact date an 150 years earlier, the Hold of Stonefist was established in exactly 432 CY.}} | ||
One cannot use an approximate date to clarify or define another approximate date. | One cannot use an approximate date to clarify or define another approximate date. | ||
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The first date given in Folio p.16 is "approximately 430 CY". The line "some 150 years earlier" is ''literally '''also''''' an approximation. This wiki doesn't "assume" something specific—it literally defeats the purpose. That is ''literally'' the point of having "About This Year" on the timeline and yearpages. | The first date given in Folio p.16 is "approximately 430 CY". The line "some 150 years earlier" is ''literally '''also''''' an approximation. This wiki doesn't "assume" something specific—it literally defeats the purpose. That is ''literally'' the point of having "About This Year" on the timeline and yearpages. | ||
{{quoted text|The Greychrondex is skeptical of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer's assertion of Stonefist c. 430 CY, suggesting that he is a Colten Ataman rather than an outlaw Rover. However, the Folio p.16 clearly describes him as cast out of the Rovers of the Barrens.}} | |||
Whatever the GreyChrondex is "skeptical" of is irrelevant. It is fan-created material, and speculation based on skepticism isn't useful for this wiki's purpose. The official lore clearly states in the LGG "Vlek Col Vlekzed, called Stonefist, was a ruthless bandit who had been cast out from the Rovers of the Barrens" which agrees with the information in the Folio, p16. "The Coltens were very uneasy with his presence in their land" indicates it wasn't his land, and he wasn't Colten. It further states "The remainder of the Coltens host was routed, and Vlek settled down to rule over the whole territory." | Whatever the GreyChrondex is "skeptical" of is irrelevant. It is fan-created material, and speculation based on skepticism isn't useful for this wiki's purpose. The official lore clearly states in the LGG "Vlek Col Vlekzed, called Stonefist, was a ruthless bandit who had been cast out from the Rovers of the Barrens" which agrees with the information in the Folio, p16. "The Coltens were very uneasy with his presence in their land" indicates it wasn't his land, and he wasn't Colten. It further states "The remainder of the Coltens host was routed, and Vlek settled down to rule over the whole territory." | ||
Latest revision as of 11:51, 11 June 2023
Deleting Speculation and Assumption
Previous content quoted, for deletion rationale:
" While the Folio p.16 describes Stonefist establishing his chiefdom c. 430 CY, From the Ashes, Atlas p.6 dates the founding of the Hold of Stonefist to "some 150 years earlier" than 582 CY. Assuming an exact date an 150 years earlier, the Hold of Stonefist was established in exactly 432 CY."
One cannot use an approximate date to clarify or define another approximate date.
The first date given in Folio p.16 is "approximately 430 CY". The line "some 150 years earlier" is literally also an approximation. This wiki doesn't "assume" something specific—it literally defeats the purpose. That is literally the point of having "About This Year" on the timeline and yearpages.
"The Greychrondex is skeptical of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer's assertion of Stonefist c. 430 CY, suggesting that he is a Colten Ataman rather than an outlaw Rover. However, the Folio p.16 clearly describes him as cast out of the Rovers of the Barrens."
Whatever the GreyChrondex is "skeptical" of is irrelevant. It is fan-created material, and speculation based on skepticism isn't useful for this wiki's purpose. The official lore clearly states in the LGG "Vlek Col Vlekzed, called Stonefist, was a ruthless bandit who had been cast out from the Rovers of the Barrens" which agrees with the information in the Folio, p16. "The Coltens were very uneasy with his presence in their land" indicates it wasn't his land, and he wasn't Colten. It further states "The remainder of the Coltens host was routed, and Vlek settled down to rule over the whole territory."
There's no lore conflict there. It's clear.
Content of Stonehold's founding moved to 430 CY.